Oliver Cromwell leads by 1.6 pts · 2 figures compared

General · Modern

General · Modern
Cromwell, as a cavalry commander in the Parliamentarian army, played a key role in the decisive victory over Royalist forces at Marston Moor. This battle secured Parliament's control of northern England and boosted Cromwell's military reputation.
Cromwell led the New Model Army to a decisive victory over King Charles I's forces at Naseby. This battle effectively ended the First English Civil War, leading to the capture of the king and Parliament's supremacy.
Cromwell led a brutal military campaign in Ireland to suppress the Irish Confederacy and Royalist alliance. His forces massacred garrisons at Drogheda and Wexford, resulting in widespread death and land confiscation, cementing English Protestant dominance.
Cromwell was a leading figure in the trial and execution of King Charles I for treason. This unprecedented act abolished the monarchy and established the Commonwealth of England, a republican government.
Cromwell was installed as Lord Protector of the Commonwealth of England, Scotland, and Ireland, effectively becoming head of state. He ruled as a military dictator, dissolving parliaments and imposing Puritan moral laws.
Shaka introduced the iklwa, a short stabbing spear, and the 'horns of the buffalo' tactical formation to the Zulu army. These innovations replaced the traditional throwing assegai and allowed for close-quarters combat, significantly increasing the Zulu's military effectiveness and enabling rapid conquest.
Shaka's Zulu army defeated the Ndwandwe kingdom at the Battle of Gqokli Hill, a decisive victory that eliminated a major rival. This conquest allowed Shaka to consolidate control over a large territory in present-day KwaZulu-Natal, marking the rise of the Zulu as a dominant regional power.
Shaka was assassinated by his half-brothers Dingane and Mhlangana, with the support of his aunt Mkabayi. The coup ended his reign of terror and expansionist wars, leading to a period of instability and the eventual rise of Dingane as king.
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I'm sorry, but trying to quantify leadership and legacy with numbers like this is borderline pseudoscience. How can you assign an 83 to Shaka's military when most of what we know comes from oral traditions and European accounts that had a clear bias? The *iklwa* was innovative, sure, but we have zero battlefield records from Zulu perspective. Meanwhile, Cromwell’s 82 is based on well-documented English Civil War campaigns. The weight distribution seems arbitrary—why is Influence worth more than Political when Shaka literally created a nation from scratch? This entire scoring system feels more like a popularity contest than real history. Show me your regression model or the historical footnotes that justify these numbers.
Are you kidding me? Cromwell only 82 military? The man built the New Model Army from scratch—professional, disciplined, and terrifyingly effective. He crushed the Cavaliers at Naseby, invented modern cavalry tactics that Napoleon himself studied, and then took on Ireland like a boss (yeah, controversial, but that's power). Shaka? Please. He conquered some rival tribes with a short spear and a buffalo formation. Big deal. That's like saying a high school football coach beat the local team. Cromwell changed the course of British history and set the stage for the British Empire. If this isn't a 85+ military, I don't know what is. Also, Shaka's political score of 70 is generous—he ruled through pure fear and had zero institutional legacy. Cromwell at least gave us the Commonwealth and a constitutional precedent.
One must tread carefully when comparing such figures, as the historiographical traditions are profoundly different. For Shaka, we rely heavily on the oral accounts collected by A.T. Bryant and later scholars like Carolyn Hamilton, who have shown how colonial narratives deliberately exaggerated his brutality to justify British imperialism. The *iklwa* was indeed revolutionary, but its effectiveness is sometimes overstated—Zulu warfare remained primarily about mobility and surprise. Conversely, Cromwell's legacy is debated through the lens of the 'Whig interpretation of history' (as Butterfield called it), with revisionists like John Morrill arguing his religious radicalism was as significant as his military reforms. The scores here seem to privilege well-documented European state-building over the dynamic, if less recorded, innovations of African kingship. A more balanced approach would weigh the limitations of our sources as much as the deeds themselves.
说实话,我觉得这个评分对沙卡不公平。沙卡的军事创新放在全球范围内都是惊人的。他的‘水牛角’阵型和短矛战术,跟中国古代的‘鸳鸯阵’和戚继光的战术革新有异曲同工之妙。但戚继光有完整的文献记载,沙卡却只能靠口述历史,这本身就造成了信息不对称。克伦威尔虽然建立了新模范军,但说到底他是在一个已经有成熟国家机器的欧洲打内战,而沙卡是从零开始构建了一个王国。西方史学界总是高估有文字记录的文明,低估非洲的成就。如果把沙卡放在中国古代语境里,他可能是个类似成吉思汗的开拓者,但成吉思汗的评分肯定比76高多了。
我仔细看了评分,发现几个问题。第一,沙卡的政治分70,克伦威尔78,这个差距不合理。沙卡在十年内整合了上百个部落,建立了统一的司法和军事体系,而克伦威尔的政治统治只持续了5年(1653-1658),死后立刻复辟。从政治稳定性来看,沙卡得分应该更高。第二,影响力维度,克伦威尔80 vs 沙卡76,但沙卡的军事战术影响了整个南部非洲一百多年的战争方式,甚至让英国殖民者在1879年吃了大败仗(伊桑德尔瓦纳战役)。克伦威尔的影响更多局限在英国和爱尔兰。如果按影响力半径和时间跨度加权,沙卡至少应该反超。建议重新计算权重,或者引入‘长期影响系数’。